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misfiring when cold

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#1 · (Edited)
Hi folks,
didn't find any significant answer on the web so i'm writing here what's going on my engine.
Freshly rebuilt GM 350 first gen, Alu heads with 70 CC chambers, mild cam(Edelbrock 2102) and same performer alu intake, forged flat top pistons, headers, that's pretty much it, i'm using a TBI by Howell wich is made by genuine GM components except for a custom Prom.
Engine is running great but i'm experiencing problem with a random misfire when cold, usually when the engine is warm it runs perfectly, sometime the misfire disappear after just a few minutes after the start up sometime it needs a little more to dissappear but i would say it has no problems when warm, i can't figure out what is causing this issue, wires seem to be ok, i tested them with a multimeter, distributor rotor and HEI cap are fairly new and with no oxide, coil and module even better, spark plugs are brand new (NGK BPR6EFS), i know they're cheap but they are the only ones i can use due the clearance problem i have with the headers.
Problems seems to pops out more often if i leave the car alone for weeks, i'm just trying to figure out if better plugs like irudium or platinum would solve this or maybe i'm using a wrong heat range but i've seen a couple of spark plugs interchange charts and those i'm using should be very close to the CHAMPION RN12YC recommended by Edelbrock.

i'm wondering if the problem could be fuel related because of my "aftermarket" TBI wich is not perfectly tuned when cold ,the fuel mixture ratio is ok when engine is warm, i checked that with a gauge but i'm not sure is too rich when cold causing fouling or flooding plugs...
I also read that the plugs heat range is related to the compression ratio too, the more the CR the colder must be the plug, mine should be in between 9,5 to 10:1, however using aluminum heads wich use to run colder the their cast iron sisters i believe plugs should be slightly hotter? just wondering, engine is on a Jeep so it is spending 70% of its life under the 2000 RPM, don't know if this matter or not but i'm pretty sure high RPM engines call colder plugs wich is not my case.
Recently i took off all the plugs and checked them out, they were all good except one tat had a weird spark so i replced it with a new one, engine started great and till today i thought problem went away then today again with that stupid misfire, i can clearly hear the engine running on 7 cylinders, so i grab the infrared pyrometer to see which header's pipe was cold and found the #1 cold, replaced the plug and engine runs great now but i have no idea how much will last.

Any suggestion will be appreciated, thank you.
 
#8 ·
You could try putting a little propane into the intake air stream to see if it smooths out. This will effectively richen the mixture. Do you have a way to look at fuel trims and stuff like that with this system.
The more information you can come up with the easier it will be to troubleshoot
 
#9 ·
This is a common problem with the NKG BPR6EFS in an aluminum head seemingly worse with a cool climate but not exclusive to that. I presume your using this plug for header clearance. A plug, if not actually visably fouled, has developed a conductive coating, probably nearly clear, on the projecting insulator that bleeds the high voltage to ground without jumping to the ground strap so no spark and a missfire results. As the plug heats up the condition sometimes corrects itself. A new plug solves the problem till it too develops the conduction to ground coating again.

The BPR6EFS is one heat range colder than the Champion RN12YC. You can shop for an NKG BPR5 heat range which would actually be closer to the Champion in real heat range.

Other things you can do is to increase the operating temp of the engine aluminum heads lose heat pretty fast so you can run the coolant temp up to 200 to 210 degrees F which will heat the plugs up more and keep them cleaner. There is quite a bit more forgivness with a hot plug in an aluminum head because of how fast these heads pull heat so a hotter range plug over your 30% performance cycle shouldn't be a problem. If it is you can expirement with coolant operating temps against plug heat ranges.

The addition of a Capacitive Discharge ignition can help by hitting the plug with a sharp square wave form at a higher voltage so there is no sine wave ramp up time for voltage bleeding down the insulator to take place. A multi-spark is also quite beneficial at the low RPMs you sight operating at most of the time. Other things you can play with is low resistance metal core high voltage wires and or non resistor spark plugs. You may also want to individually ground each head and the distributor to insure that there are solid low resistance ground paths specific to the job at hand rather than trusing that current is flowing through various structural fasteners many of which are well pasted with sealers on a Chevy to prevent external coolant and oil leakage paths.

Mixture ratios can be a problem TBI has the same equitable mixture distributon problems cylinder to cylinder that carbs have. So some are running richer that others. Overly rich cylinders run cooler thus are more prone to foul out their plugs. This again is a problem that is better controlled with a CD ignition. Or you can get a cylinder that is so lean you can't get it to fire at all. In which case the entire engine has to see a richer mixture to get the leanest one rich enough to fire.

A big help is getting the engine warmed up sooner, a great aid in this is an engine oil to coolant heat exchanger. The coolant comes up to temp faster than the oil while the colder oil slows the coolant in reaching operating temperature. By using an oil to coolant heat exchanger the time/driving distance it takes to get the motor to an even temp is easily cut in half.

While the plugs are out do a wet compression test just make sure that none are so low as not to fire. If this is a sold lifter cam it is also worth pulling the valve covers to inspect how much valve movement there is to see if a lobe and lifter is not wiped out, killing cylinder temperature and fouling the plug.

Bogie
 
#10 ·
Thank you for the response, so much appreciated.
I've ordered today a new set of hotter plugs, NGK BPR5EFS, hope these will perform better, i like the idea of the oil cooler, the only reason i didn't put an external one (i know this kind wouldn't add any benefit to cure my problem), is because my engine has a fairly low oil pressure when warm 5-7 PSI with a
5w50 Mobil 1 and an oil cooler i'm pretty confident may cause the pressure drop even more unless i will get a low pressure drop one and with the less amount of elbows and hoses...
I know GM made in the past a sorta of heat exchanger oil/coolant coupled to the oil filter housing, i'm wondering if there's the chance to get one of them...