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Stock 305 What Carb Should I Go With

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#1 ·
hello guys got a newbie here hope yall can help me with this, ok i got a stock 305 that i replaced seals and oil pump ,water pump,i choosed this motor to put into my daily driver im working on so i want good gas milage, i looked up the numbers and the motor came out of a 89 fire bird, it came with a 4 barrel but didnt look stock, would a 600 holly or edelbrock be to much for it?? should i go with a 2 barrel?? im lost on what carb to choose :confused: any help would greatly appriciated :thumbup:
 
#7 ·
Q-jets are "air dam" carbs, meaning they flow what the engine demands so you don`t over carburate. They are rated at 750 and 800 CFM, but since they are a air dam design, that doesn`t matter. Because of this, they came on 6 cylinders all the way up to monster 500 cubic inch caddy engines. So if the engine only demands say 585 cfm, that`s all the Q-jet will give it. Replacing the timing chain is pretty easy, and if your engine has over 60,000 miles on it I would replace it as a lot of lost power is caused by a loose timing chain. Lower the oil pan, don`t have to fully remove it, remove the crank pulley, use a puller to pull the balancer, yank the timing chain cover. Get the number 1 cylinder at top dead center, dot on the crank gear pointing at 12 o`clock position, cam gear pointing at 6 o`clock position. Replace the seal in the timing chain cover and the gasket then bolt it on, use a installer to reinstall the balancer.
Tighted up the oil pan. install crank pully, torque balancer bolt to specs and that`s it. Very simple job. I see you live in Columbus. I live close to there myself.
 
#13 ·
Not exacty the same. There were differences per years but these were improvements to the design. The 80`s Quadrajets are electronic, you don`t want to use one of these. The rest are pretty much jetted to whichever engine they were going on. So when you just pick one up, you don`t know what it came off of cubic inch wise, it can be one of the three, dead on, over rich or deadly lean. This is usually why when buying a Q-jet we just order one jetted for the application. Not too long ago in the junk yard there was a Q-jet on a original 70 Caddy with the monster 500 cubic incher. I wish I coulda taken that one with me.
 
#14 · (Edited)
Not quite...

HANK B said:
so all q jets are the same right?
These are a few differences off the top of my head. In no way is this all the differences:

Generally, there were the ‘small’ and ‘large’ casting carb bodies. These were 750 and 800 cfm, nominal- other cfm requirements were met by tailoring the air valve and/or the secondary throttle stop. Then there was the rare (one year-‘71) Pontiac HO carb that used a smaller booster to get even more flow than the “normal” large casting, 800 cfm carb.

There were straight or 90° fuel inlets, w/short and long filter housings.

There were at least 4 different choke arrangements.

There were two different needle and seat arrangements regarding the type, and several different floats (size and material) used throughout the years.

Later carbs (~’76-up) have APT (aka “adjustable part throttle).

Some have idle air bypass, others don’t.

Most had only two primary rods, some had three- one hooked to an aneroid. Sort of like 2 power pistons.

Various carbs had different bowl vents, some had a hot air compensator. Some had secondary fuel booster outlets (passive accelerator pump) that were located above the air valve, others below. Some secondary air valves were slotted, others not.

Accelerator pump pistons varied by length and spring rates, power piston spring rates varied, obviously jets and metering rods varied- there are literally thousands- likely millions- of different combos possible between all the different primary and secondary rods, secondary hangars and jets.

Throttle linkages varied greatly- some were made for manual trans apps, these can be used w/a TH400 if the kickdown switch is relocated (or is at the throttle pedal), some were only for a TH400 apps w/carb-mounted kickdown switch, some were used w/the TH350 (has the ability to "pull" a detent cable), some for the Powerglide trans. Some have cruise control studs, some not. Early carbs used throttle linkage, later used a cable.

There were front choke break, rear choke break, both front AND rear choke break carbs. Vacuum port size, number and locations were all over the place.

There are two different length primary rods, there are stepped and tapered rods.

Secondary rods can be slotted or not. They are hung from one of almost a hundred different hangars.

All said, you really need to pay attention to a few important things.
  • The fuel inlet (straight or 90º), so it doesn't interfere w/any of the accessories or water neck, etc.
  • Throttle arm- whether or not it can accommodate the trans you're using. This is important if using a TH350 that needs a "below-the-shaft" hook up point to pull the detent cable.
  • 1976-up carbs are preferred (by me, anyway), like DV said, there were improvements throughout the run of Q-jets, newer is usually better. These carbs will also have APT.
  • Choke type. Most prefer an electric. A hot air type choke can be converted to electric easily.
Beyond that, you just work w/what you have. The Q-jet is very versatile and will work fine on any number of engines.

EDIT- Interestingly, one of the best/easiest way to find a good carb to use is to look for one off of a truck or van.

Up until '86, these carbs were still non feedback (not an "electronic" carb) in some applications and they were nearly all 800 cfm units- even those found on 4.3L V6 engines! These engines can also have a large cap, non feedback HEI distributors.

Cars from '81-up are going to have feedback carbs. No good for anything other than computer use (CCC), or possibly as an all-out race carb where it is set up to run w/o primary metering rods.
 
#22 ·
That would be 17082224. The other numbers are of no consequence either way.

'82 Chevy carb for AT.

The trans linkage will be for either a TH400 or TH350C. If it isn't a feedback carb w/electrical connectors on top, it's most likely from a truck application.

Should be fine for your car as long as the linkage works for the trans you are using and it is NOT a feedback carb.
 
#24 ·
Just a couple of things that might help (assuming carb is good).Adjust your throttle valve cable so it is tight (not too tight)at wide open throttle.This is not just a kickdown cable,it also sets the line pressure for the tranny.If it is not snug at WOT it will lead to sluggish shifts and burnt clutches.Get a new carb base gasket also. WHEN you change the timing chain,get an adjustable unit and advance the cam timing 4 degrees.This will increase cylinder pressure,bottom end grunt, and give you more mpgs.Check for any vacuum leaks and use manifold port for vacuum advance.Listen for spark knock and adjust timing accordingly.Most (80%) of pre feedback 305 Qjets have no. 43 needles and no. 72 jets.Good air filter helps too! Nice to see v8s as daily drivers this day and age. :cool:
 
#26 ·
o.k. not trying to confuse you anymore then you already are, but, q-jet in mt opinion isent the best thing for a stock 305, i know a lot of em came with it but seens how you are new to all this, i would suggest simply getting a holly 2 barell, 550 cfm and call it a day, this will more then get your baby running, it wont fall on it's face when you hit the gas, or overload your stock 305, just throw it on and fire it up.