what kind of car ?

I have a shelf about 6 feet wide with old manuals a lot of the designs were similar for the corporate body shells,

 

A good way to find the scematics is in some of those old wagons is your local library. There are some large hard cover manuals (as big as an encyclopedia) that cover multiple years of vehicles. They are your best bet unless you can find a Chiltons or Haynes repair manual for your year car.
Another sugestion is to find any wagon tailgate assembly schematic even if its not your exact year just to see the basic dynamics of how it works.
You would be suprised just how simple these are designed.
If you dont want to bother with original design, there are many alternatives such as remote actuators that pop the door for you...These can work beautifully if done right.
Hope this helps...

Semper Fi

 

DBM, what is the make and model of this "65 wagon"? Is it a 1965 Rollsroyce or is it the the sixty fifth wagon made or is it a little red wagon with 65 marbles in it, what the hell is it?

Brian

 

Is that the model that has a pop out window crank handle on the outside of the tail gate? I think Chevy started that in 59.

 

I'm sorry guys I must have still been half asleep and in a hurry this morning.
It's a 65 Impala wagon and some how the window tracks got lost and the gate got put back together without them, I'm 98% sure its supposed to have them ,theres even two holes on each side to mount them I cant see anything else they would be for...Theres a roll up crank on the outside....The library sounds like a good idea if I cant get anything on the internet. Unfortunetly the owner is a super nice guy thats been getting robbed by everyone that worked on it,I'm just trying to get him going but every time I get something almost done I run into more trouble ,pieces missing,parts not put on so everything has to taken back apart and redone.its everyones worst nightmare...but the guy bought the car new and he loves it so I have to get it right ,check every nut and bolt from front to back. Once this tailgate is done I'm done with it ,bumper to bumper I just refuse to put it back together without knowing for sure about the tracks even though it did work,it just didnt feel right....One of the guys that screwed it up said it wasnt made with window tracks,I told him if it WAS made like that it would be the first roll up window I've ever seen without tracks.Somebody lost them and someone else put it back together without them just to get it out of their hair...everything else is BS...........I hope I'm right ..... :sweat: :sweat:

 

One of the guys that screwed it up said it wasnt made with window tracks,I told him if it WAS made like that it would be the first roll up window I've ever seen without tracks.Somebody lost them and someone else put it back together without them just to get it out of their hair...everything else is BS...........I hope I'm right ..... :sweat: :sweat:

My money is on you DBM. It's a wonder the rear glass hasn't been broken yet from opening and closing the tailgate. Those old 65's were good old street rod builders. Loved the square nova type body. Should have called then Novawagon's.

 

Well ,I do understand how aggravating it can be restoring a car that has a limited supply of new parts...but on the other hand if its causing this much trouble for a pro to get finished ,how the heck can these guys expect the owner to do it...I spent half a day at the junk yards yesterday just finding odds and ends like trim clips,washer squirters etc...I got pretty lucky...
I found out something interesting too,ALL those GM tailgate window cranks are the same ,we bought a new crank from the dealer for a suburban and it was exactly the same with the exception of the mounting plate,all I had to do was swap it with the old one and bolt it on..

 

Yes---it has tracks
The inside of these are pretty similar from 59+

If you are having troubles getting a 65 Chev gate
All of the other corp. models should be the same, or close enough to work.

I looked inside a 65 Pont wagon gate----damn near exacly what a 59 Chev gate looked like inside.

You need the tracks----window interlock (so you cannot open the gate with the glass up even slightly), and the big double window regulator

 

Tailgate

Hey Man, Here is '59-'60 info. Starts at pg.14-89 and goes on with alot of info on adjustments, etc. on following pages. Maybe it will give you some help? Nolan
http://chevy.oldcarmanualproject.com/shop/1959_60/59sms1490.htm

 

'63-'67 typical tailgate hardware

How about this;http://www.tocmp.com/manuals/Chevy/58-68parts/12.000/pages/Image186_jpg.htm

 

Ah Ha! B=tail gate window glass side run channel assemby.
Need to show the guy that screwed it up this picture. Even though it's marked 59-60 it still proves there's a channel for the rear windows.

 

'63-'66 tailgate lock assembly

More;http://www.tocmp.com/manuals/Chevy/58-68parts/12.000/pages/Image188_jpg.htm

 

I'm guessing you already looked, but the tracks aren't down in the bottom of the tailgate are they?

 

Part sources

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&...65+chevrolet+impala+station+wagon+tailgate+parts&btnG=Search&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=

Ok, now you owe me. :thumbup: Wish you were closer to Louisiana, I'd get you to help me paint my truck. :thumbup: Nolan

 

How about this;http://www.tocmp.com/manuals/Chevy/58-68parts/12.000/pages/Image186_jpg.htm

THATS IT !!!!!Thank you so much...You guys are are the best,I really mean it...
I had a feeling it also had a torsion bar too, I found a salvage yard in Missouri that has a 64 wagon but he didnt know if the parts were interchangeable.Now I know they are...This old guy got all excited when I found the missing trim pieces and clips at the junk yard yesterday,He's gonna freak out tomorrow...Tell ya the truth ,ya made my day too..

I got one more question. How did you find that link? It would be nice to know if I ever get In a jamb again ...I knew the info had to be out there but I didnt have any luck finding it...
Thank You All
...I really apprecieate your effort
BTW the old guy is a disabled Vet that brought some lead home with him and all anyone seemed to want to do was screw him because he didnt know cars he just wanted his wagon restored that he bought new when he got back from Nam and hes meeting up with a few of his Nam buddys in April and wanted his car to go with him.........God bless our vets...

 

Heres a couple pics of the car the first is of the gate and the holes I suspected were for the tracks/guides...The guy put a ton of money in this car,it still has the origainal 283 and power glide but all redone

 

Sweet

That's a straight ride Man, I'd like to dump a Big Block,T400, 4.56's & slicks and go drag race the old fker.

About the link, all I can say is Goggle is good, but you have to use good search words.

Glad I could help a good ol boy. :thumbup: olnolan

Oh, Tell that ol boy with the wagon thanks for doing Nam, tell him alot of folks appreciate him more than he knows.

 

BTW the old guy is a disabled Vet that brought some lead home with him and all anyone seemed to want to do was screw him because he didnt know cars he just wanted his wagon restored that he bought new when he got back from Nam and hes meeting up with a few of his Nam buddys in April and wanted his car to go with him.........God bless our vets...

Thaks DBM for taking care of his ride. It's a good payback for answering the call to duty and long over due. :thumbup:

 

Yep---those holes are for the glass guide channel

The screw will be either stainless or chrome 1/4-20 hex bolt that has a very thin head and a large washer with it----only about 1/2" long

Same type of screw holding the lower glass run in the front doors (if it has these) (my 66 Elky has them in the door, under the latch)

 

Oh---those screws will be in virtually ALL hardtop or Converts---may not be in a sedan (but the 64-67 Elky)

 

Oh---those screws will be in virtually ALL hardtop or Converts---may not be in a sedan (but the 64-67 Elky)

Not to make fun of Y'all but, How's those heaters working in Texas?

 

Thaks DBM for taking care of his ride. It's a good payback for answering the call to duty and long over due. :thumbup:

deadbodyman, Being a paint and body guy, you might apreciate a photo of some vintage old car with a soon to be Veteran's pride and joy in 1969.
It's a 60 Impala, 348 4 bbl, with a fresh RED paint job and a 19 yr old private.

 

DB, you're one of the good guys, bless you for taking the time to help this guy out.

Google is the bomb if you take time to learn how to use it. I ALWAYS use the advanced search function, the more you play, the better you will get at finding things. Cheeses my wife sometimes, she will be looking for something for hours, I will find it in minutes.

Another Google function is images, play with that when you have a few hours on your hands. And when I play poker I will use the language function to know what the players are saying, open Google on a separate tab, copy and paste the chat, interpret in Google.
Long live Google!

 

deadbodyman, Being a paint and body guy, you might apreciate a photo of some vintage old car with a soon to be Veteran's pride and joy in 1969.
It's a 60 Impala, 348 4 bbl, with a fresh RED paint job and a 19 yr old private.

You better believe it.......I love those old pics I have a bunch of my dad, uncles and grandfathers with their cars I even have one of dear old granny posing on the hood of an old 50something caddy in a bathing suit when she was 18 Looking like a model in a car ad...Shes in her 80s now but she still loves it when I pull out that old picture...

 

DB, you're one of the good guys, bless you for taking the time to help this guy out.

Google is the bomb if you take time to learn how to use it. I ALWAYS use the advanced search function, the more you play, the better you will get at finding things. Cheeses my wife sometimes, she will be looking for something for hours, I will find it in minutes.

Another Google function is images, play with that when you have a few hours on your hands. And when I play poker I will use the language function to know what the players are saying, open Google on a separate tab, copy and paste the chat, interpret in Google.
Long live Google!

LOL ,I didnt even know there was such a thing I just hit search. I started using the computer two years ago when I googled hotrods and this site came up and I became a member.... I cant even begin to explain how much this site has helped me,I keep telling everyone you can find out anything here just ask,someone will know ,and not just with cars ,everything. I could barely send an email back then.and who knows I might just be photoshopping this year.The computer is an amazing tool but it really only connects us with each other....
Dinger dont tell your wife but cheeses is a very unusual and kinda funny name ....She from wisconson??????