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If I have them build it they will install the intake, spider injector, distributor, put the cam, springs and retainers I want in and they are rite across the street from where I am doing the swap. I think the 500 is worth all that. they will prob install the headers also. All I have to do is swap out the stuff off my 4.3L it all bolts rite up. Extend the crank sensor wire, extend the a/c lines and run 2 injector wires and I am good to go. Of course I will make everything pretty befor I put it togeather, paint and POR as nesc, brake lines etc.


Good deal.Sounds like your on your way.That's not a bad deal at all.
 
The D cup has alot more benefits than just power.It utilizes the quench/squish effect lots better than the stock circular dish.It not always just about power.Some ppl consider other things as well.The KB's I mentioned are available with older type thick rings & also with the thinner low tension rings.
As for the intake, at his power level, the FITech won't show any substantial gains over his OEM setup.Nowhere near enough to compensate for the $1100 cost & headache of it getting everything ironed out & working.It's nowhere as easy as you make it sound.You keep using tuning as a reason for using it, but, he will have way more tuning, wiring,& alteration in the programming with the FITech than using his current setup.All of the current engine mgmt in the programming will have to be removed & reflash.Obviously you've never attempted something like this & basing your advise as usual on forum talk.Sounds good, but, very far from the truth.Getting a 4L60E to run with a carb & this scenario are totally different situations.
 
At his compression level the d cup will do nothing cause the motor will never knock even with way over advanced timing. The stock pistons dont knock now with no changes being made to the heads and compression it would do nothing. Sep cost money.

As for the stock ecu it does not need the engine mgmt removed or what ever you think it would not need to be reprogrammed at all since its just not going to be feeding the injectors but it will think it is. That is fine it does not need any help if the crank sensor is working it will run the trans as normal. No mods at all. What would be gained from changing the stock ecu if its not need other than to read the sensors and support the rest of the truck equip. Along with the very restrictive plastic intake the open free flowing intakes will make more power.

But its a mute point the OP wants to run the oem stuff and thats fine just wanted to make some suggestion that may help get the truck running easily. Trans runs the speedo and the coil runs the tach thru the ecu along with the oil pressure and temp senders. so this can make the all the dash work without the engine running or the ecu thinking the engine is running but that is just one sensor. The stock ecu can be left working and in place unmolested. You only need to reprogram when swapping to another vehicle.

I dont see any issue with running the stock style pistons lots of them out there in the correct compression height. They might even be cheaper than the KB and work better. Not like the vortec is prone to knocking. They can run with the timing so far off the start kicks back when it fires off but still starts. But it does not knock. So no reason better quench would make the truck run any better. If he is running the oem ecu then the timing will be knock sensor driven and will always be in the ideal tuning range.

My escalade runs like crap with 93 octane in it. Its a lot better with 87 since thats the gas its made to work with. For this build upping compression and changing pistons style is over the top for a mild motor like the op wants.

But the Op needs help for what he wants not what pistons you have picked out for your next build. Same for the FI tech if he wants the oem stuff thats what he wants. Im not going to argue my point further with you. AA stock style rebuild is the best way to go. Im betting the engine builder has this in mind as well. Seems like the right thing for the job.

Now if the op wants some big power its out there the motor with 383 kit and flat top or d dish could produce 400 hp with a mild warm up but nothing the op wants. So oem pistons with low tension rings fit the bill.
You Escalade (if we are talking about the 99-00 Escalade with the L31) runs better on 87 octane rather than 93 because the stock PCM calibration is so freaking rich at WOT. If you get up to a slow speed and lock your trans in 2nd gear, just so that you can go to WOT for a few seconds and then let off and coast back down slower.
When I did this I noticed that if I used TPS%(throttle position sensor percentages) of roughly 85-90% that I experienced more engine power than if I matted the throttle and used 100% TPS(or 99.9999% whatever the highest TPS% is).
Whenever you use throttle % over 80%, the PCM will enter PE mode. PE mode or Power Enrichment mode, is an Open Loop fueling strategy that no longer uses the O2 sensor inputs for fueling. This is used because the narrowband O2 sensors do a crappy job of reading oxygen ratios that are NOT at stoich, or ratios away from 14.7:1 a/f on 100% gasoline. Since you need to add extra fuel when making more power other than cruising, Closed Loop(which reads the O2 sensors) is dropped and the PCM reads the PE Mode lookup tables for fueling. The table for this is labeled "POWER ENRICHMENT FUEL EQUIVALENT RATIO vs. RPM.

A stocker looks like this
rpm
0 1.150
400 1.150
800 1.150
1200 1.170
1600 1.200
2000 1.210
2400 1.220
2800 1.240
3200 1.220
3600 1.220
4000 1.210
4400 1.180
4800 1.170
5200 1.170
5600 1.225
6000 1.225
6400 1.225

The PCM takes in the rpm data as the engines rpms increase, and at every rpm break, it makes a quick calculation to determine the injector pulsewidth. It takes the Stoichmetric number, which GM uses as 14.7 and multiplies that 14.7 by the PE Mode Multiplier.
Example Lets say the engine is operating at WOT at 4800rpm, the PCM will take the 14.7 stoich number and divide it by 1.170 to find the desired A/F ratio at that particular rpm while in PE Mode.

14.7/1.170=12.5641026
So the PCM will then calculate the pulsewidth of which to fire the injectors in order to attain the resultant 12.5641026 A/F ratio at that particular data point.

The 1996-2002 Vortec L31 350s were rated at 255hp@4600rpm/330lb/ft torque@2800rpm.
So GM Engineers wanted a particular a/f ratio at peak torque and peak power in order to meet their durability and engine output goals.

Lets do peak torque which is 2800rpm.

So from the PE Mode tables:
2800rpm=1.240 for the multiplier
Resultant PE Mode fuel ratio= Stoich divided by PE Mode multiplier
14.7/1.240=11.8548387 So in PE Mode the PCM will look to calculate the injector pulsewidth in order to deliver the commanded 11.8548387:1 A/F ratio at peak torque of 2800rpm in PE Mode.

Now lets do peak power of the L31 Vortec 350 which is supposedly 4600rpm according to GM.
4600rpm=(since 4600 isn't isted, I will split the difference between 4400 and 4800rpm) therefore 1.175
14.7/1.175 = 12.5106383

So at 4600rpm the PCM will calculate the injector pulsewidth in order to deliver the proper amount of fuel to supply the commanded 12.5106383:1 A/F ratio when the PCM is in PE Mode.

As you can tell, a change in fuel, such as E10 which is 90% gasoline and 10% Ethanol changes things a bit. The Stoich ratio for E10 is roughly 14.2:1.
So if I use my Tunercats OBD2 software, I would change the Fuel Stoich parameter from 14.7:1 for gas, to 14.2 for E10 Gasohol.

So at peak power for E10 fuel the calcs would look like this
14.2/1.175 = 12.0851064
So to provide the same A/F ratio that GM wants for a Vortec 350 at peak power, while using E10 Gasohol, the PCM needs to find the proper pulsewidths to supply the engine with 12.0851064 parts of air, for every part of E10.

So basically, GM installed a calibration that will provide the advertised power/torque and do it over and over. Its not the ideal fueling for maximum ragged edge of performance. I noticed that as I started leaning out that PE Mode Fueling Multiplier, that I started getting more power the more that I opened the throttle. I now got more power at 100% TPS than I did at 85% throttle.
GM has too be careful esp. on its truck calibrations, it has to assume the worst, people running 85 octane fuel, low on coolant, towing a double car trailer, with a load of cement in the box, climbing a mountain pass at wide open throttle. As such, you will even find differences in the calibrations of a 1/2 ton Vortec 350 truck and a 2500HD/3500 truck that have the 4 bolt mains. These HD trucks are more apt to be overloaded and held at WOT for extended amounts of time. That's why they get the extra 4 bolt main caps in main bearing positions 2,3 and 4, while the lower duty under 8600GVRW 3/4 ton and 1/2 ton trucks get the 2 bolt main caps on main bearing positions 1,2,3,4 and 5.

Another PCM trick that has been around since the 4 speed overdrive transmission went electronic, which happens to be 1993 in the fullsize GM trucks, is torque management. Torque management or TM, is the pulling of timing advance just before the transmission upshifts to the next higher gear. TM actually intervences more in the 1993-1998 4l60E equipped GMT-400 style trucks than it does in the 1999-2007 GMT-800 style trucks. Why is this? Simple, its because the Vortec 350 makes more torque off idle and at low rpm than the newer GEN 3 SBC's do. There are tables in the 1993-1995 TBI and 1996-1998 blackbox for the trucks and the 1996-2000 blackbox PCM for the vans and HD trucks and the 1999 carryover Classic trucks, and into 2000 for the last year build special Tahoes that got the L31 350. These tables dictate just how much torque is lost for each degree of timing advance that is pulled out of the normal timing advance map. If you accelerate from a dead stop in a 1996+ GMT400 style truck and use a very low throttle input, you can actually feel the torque drop off just as the trans shifts. The feeling is even more pronounced on the L30 305 trucks, and the most pronounced on the 200hp L35 V6 trucks. This done to help the band survive as it energizes and grabs the drum from a standstill. TM actually helps the barely nominal 4l60e to get through the 60,000mile(100,000km) warranty periods.

here is a stock Vortec 350 L31 TM table from a 1997 Tahoe. It is labeled "Torque Management Spark Retard Limit vs RPM" The left column is RPM, the right column is the amount of degrees of spark that will be removed during upshifts. As you can see, there is no spark that is removed above 4000rpm.

0 -15.00
400 -15.00
800 -15.00
1200 -15.00
1600 -14.00
2000 -13.00
2400 -12.00
2800 -10.00
3200 -8.00
3600 -6.00
4000 -3.00
4400 0.00
4800 0.00
5200 0.00
5800 0.00

There are other TM tables, as well as Abuse Mode tables. Abuse Mode intervenes when you try to engage Reverse or Drive while at the same time having the throttle open. Without abuse mode, you can hold the engine rpm at 4000rpm, then shift from park to drive, and the trans will immediately engage 1st gear, possibly damaging the trans or driveline. We call this a "neutral drop".
With Abuse Mode active, like in the GMT-400 trucks with the Vortec engines(1996+) If you hold engine rpm at 4000rpm, then shift from park/Neutral into a gear, Abuse Mode is engaged and the PCM will first cut fuel by ceasing to pulse the injectors, this causes the engine rpm to fall to a predetermined rpm(predetermined by whatever the calibrator enters into the Abuse Mode Fuel Resume rpm vs. Mode(gear)) which is 1000rpm in a 2wd truck, then once the engine rpms have fallen to a safe rpm, the fueling is again commanded and the injectors begin fueling again until the rpm rises until the rpm which is entered into the Abuse Mode Fuel Cutoff RPM table(which is 1600rpm in a 2wd truck). While the PCM is in Abuse Mode the rpm will float between the 1000rpm refuel and 1600rpm defuel rpms until the PCM detects that the transmission has safely shifted into either Drive or Reverse. Then the PCM returns rpm control to your right foot.
There are different fuel and defuel rpms depending if you are driving a 2wd truck/SUV or have a 4wd vehicle, and if you have a 4wd vehicle, the fuel/defuel points are different if you are trying to shift into gear while in 2wd/4wd-Hi or 4wd-Lo.
Fuel cutoff 2wds is 1600rpm, for 4wds in 4wdHIGH is 1600rpm, and for 4wds in 4wdLOW the cutoff is 1200rpm.
Fuel Resume for 2wds is 1000rpm, for 4wds in 4HIGH is 1000rpm and for 4wds in 4LOW is 800rpm.

Again, all of these PCM tables are designmed to help the drivetrain survive passed its warranty period. And as GM has leared over the years. Owner/drivers use/abuse is moreso taken out of the equation for warranty work. Before these "nanny" functions were installed, GM would have to warranty parts that were broken from maneuvers that were "abuse" but couldn't be proven to abusive thus GM was on the hook to pay for broken driveline parts. Think of "Torque Management", "Abuse Mode", and even simple things like "rev limiters" are methods that GM has employed to lessen warranty work that they must pay for. Rev limiters first came on the scene in the full sized trucks for Model Year1993, the same year that the 4l60e took over for the 4L60/700R4 transmission. 1992 and older, GM full sized truck owners could literally hold the throttle wide open til the engine fragged, then dishonestly make a warranty claim stating that "I was hauling a bit of firewood in the box of my truck when all of a sudden the engine started making noises". or something to that effect.

The Blackbox PCMs have their rev limiters set to defuel at 5600rpm and then refuel when the revs drop down to 5400rpm. The engine will then cycle back and forth between 5600rpm and 5400rpm until you lift you foot off the accelerator. The rev limiters in these trucks really help the secondary truck buyer and even the guy in the wrecking yard that wants to buy a used working Vortec 350. If the original OEM calibration file has always been installed in the PCM, you can rest assured that the engine has never seen rpm over 5600rpm.
If the L31 Vortec 350, or any of the other 1996+ Vortec L29/L21 454 BBC, L30 305, L35 4.3 V6 engine has used a Blackbox PCM for 100% of its operation it's not possible for it to have seen rpm over 6000rpm even if its been flashed with its rev limiter either, eliminated 100% or raised to 6500 or 7000rpm. Even though many PCM tuning products allow you to set the rev limiter to whatever rpm you wish, once you test it in the vehicle, the engine will rev to about 6000rpm begin to break up. There is something in the Blackbox's hardware which only allows the engine rev to 6000rpm max, no matter what the rev limit is electronically set to within the engine calibration.


As you can see, this all happens very quickly, and this is from PCM's of the late 90's which in the case of the Blackbox Vortec PCM's only have 257 kilobyte calibration files. the 1997-2003 dual 80 pin PCMs have 512 kb files, then the 2003+ vehicles went to a full megabyte and up and up they went.

The calculations that occur during WOT fueling of a 2016 ZO6 Corvette with the 650hp/650lb/ft Supercharged and intercooled, Direct Injected 6.2 liter engine with Active Fuel Management that constantly phase the camshafts advance and operate in 4 cylinder mode or 8 cylinder mode, while at the same time managing boost, timing in order to not spin the tires as you are commanding 100% TPS with your right foot, but the PCM knows that if it does this it will simply blows the tires off, and if it cold outside the engine will be making a certain percentage of increased power, while the co efficient of traction has been enhanced by the burnout that you just performed so that needs to be calculated as you sidestep the clutch. Ya no SIR, I'm not going to run through that little calculation lol. These days simply making the power isn't the issue, there's way too much of it, the trick is actually making the car accelerate as quickly as possible with the available traction, so that the guy that just dropped $120,000 on his brand new 2017 ZR1 Corvette doesn't put his car into the rhubarb during his 1st 1-2 powershift.

peace
hog
 
Hogg, what are your thoughts on the computer swap.The donor van is the 2002 5.7 Vortec. His vehicle is a 2003 & most likely will have alot more outside of engine mgmt.It's very possible, but, he would need to verify service #'s on the controller to check compatibility, that they would be even maybe the same controller. I'm thinking his best bet would be to simply have 5.7 tune flashed into the 2003 & work from there on tuning for cam & other upgrades vs trying to make the 2002 controller work, which would likely have alot the functions, inputs,& outputs of his vehicle. The van would not be as well equipped as the swap vehicle.
 
Hogg, what are your thoughts on the computer swap.The donor van is the 2002 5.7 Vortec. His vehicle is a 2003 & most likely will have alot more outside of engine mgmt.It's very possible, but, he would need to verify service #'s on the controller to check compatibility, that they would be even maybe the same controller. I'm thinking his best bet would be to simply have 5.7 tune flashed into the 2003 & work from there on tuning for cam & other upgrades vs trying to make the 2002 controller work, which would likely have alot the functions, inputs,& outputs of his vehicle. The van would not be as well equipped as the swap vehicle.
2003 is a weirdo year PCMwise. It was the advent of the 1 meg PCM, yet some of the Vettes still use the 512meg 0411 PCM.

There is a good chance that the PCM still might be an o411 PCM and might take the 0411 calibration because the 4.3's are still in use and the difference between the 4.3(3x reluctor) and the 5.7 L31(4x reluctor) is minor.

But you are correct about the differences outside of the engine calibrations. I do know that on some of the Corvette calibrations that certain functions are VIN locked, meaning that if you enter a VIN with a W instead of a Q (examples only-zero meanings in real life) that your power windows or some other function wont work.

I do know that there are 2003-2008 L31 calibrations for 1 meg PCMs that were used in Mexican GMT-800 trucks equipped with the L31. In US and Canada you couldn't get an L31 in the 99-2007 GMT-800 trucks but in Mexico you could.

peace
Hog
 
Discussion starter · #46 ·
Pcm

I was told that my computer would work with the 2002 5.7L I guess GM put the newer computer in the 2002 chevy express which is the doner vehicle. My 2003 astro has a lot of options such as power windows, overhead console, rear a/c. I was told by harris performance he could tune my computer to run the 5.7L. I have not pulled the numbers off the computers as of yet. I do have the donor vehicle computer also.
 
I was told that my computer would work with the 2002 5.7L I guess GM put the newer computer in the 2002 chevy express which is the doner vehicle. My 2003 astro has a lot of options such as power windows, overhead console, rear a/c. I was told by harris performance he could tune my computer to run the 5.7L. I have not pulled the numbers off the computers as of yet. I do have the donor vehicle computer also.
I really think that would be the best way to go.
 
Here are some O/S Identification numbers listed for 2002 F-body and 2003 Corvette
All 02-03 dual 80 pin connectored/512kb PCMs have 8 Segment Files
Security Algorithms=40
All 02-03 dual 80 pin connectored/512kb PCMs have Read Algorithms=1 and Write Algorithms=2


O/S ID PCM
12212156C 12200411
12221588C 12200411
12593358C 12200411
12593358T 12200411



Just for anyones info, here is the 1996-97 Vortec truck (4.3/5.0/5.7/7.4)
All 96-97 Blackbox PCMs have 7 Segment Files
Security Algorithms=16
All 96-97 Blackboxs have Read Algorithms=4 and Write Algorithms=4
O/S ID PCM ID
16256445T 16244210
16256455T 16229684
16232915T 16244210
16235505T 16244210
16237015T 16244210
16243345T 16229684
9378495T 16244210
16187577T 16244210
16204025T 16229684
16227245T 16244210


1998-00 Vortec truck (4.3/5.0/5.7/7.4)
All 98-00 blackbox PCMs have 7 Segment Files
Security Algorithms=16
Read Algorithms=5 and Write Algorithms=7

O/S ID PCM
16265175T 16263494
9365085T 16263494
9355699T 9366810
9365095T 9366810
16263425T 9366810
9360505T 16263494

1999-2000 Truck 4.3/4.8/5.3/6.0)
O.S ID/PCM /Segment /Security/ Read /Write(set up like 99-01 table below)
12205612T/ 9354896/ 8/ 40/ 1/ 1
9373372T 9354896 8 40 1 1
9379910T 9354896 8 40 1 1
9381344T 9354896 8 40 1 1
1290003T 9354896 8 40 1 1
9365637T 9354896 8 40 1 1

2001-2002 Trucks 4.3/4.8/5.3/6.0
O/S ID/ PCM/ Segments/ Security/Read/Program
12216125T/ 12200411/ 8 /40 /6 /3
12202088T 12200411 8 40 6 3
12208322T 12200411 8 40 6 3
12209203T 12200411 8 40 6 3
12212156T 12200411 8 40 6 3


2003-2005 truck 4.3 and GEN 3 engines(4.3/4.8/5.3/6.0)
All 03-05 dual 80 pin connectored PCMs have 8 Segment Files
Security Algorithms=40
All 03-05 dual 80 pin connectored PCMs have Read Algorithms=6 and Write Algorithms=3

O/S ID PCM #
12579405T 12582605
12580055T 12582605
12585950T 12586242
12587603T 12586242
12593058T 12582605
12591725T 12589463
12591725C 12589463
12592618T 12589463
12593555T 12589463
12606961T 12589463
12612115T 12589463
12606960T 12586242
12612114T 12586242

2006-2007 Trucks 4.3 and GEN-III V8 engines 4.8/5.3/6.0

A/S ID / PCM ID # /# of Segments/Securty Algorithm/Read Alg./Write Algo.
12587811C/ 12582811/ 8 /40 /6 /8
12587811T 12582811 8 40 6 8
12605114T 12582811 8 40 6 8
12613245T 12582811 8 40 6 8
12606807T 12582811 8 40 6 8
12608669T 12582811 8 40 6 8
12613246T 12582811 8 40 6 8
12613247T 12582811 8 40 6 8
12597120T 12602802 8 40 6 8
12613248T 12602802 8 40 6 8
12619623T 12582811 8 40 6 8
12619624T 12602802 8 40 6 8



1999-2001 F-body(Camaro/Firebird) and Corvette LS1 In order to make columns here, all the bolded numbers are a vertical columns, then non bolded, then bolded etc.
O/S ID PCM# # of Segments Security Algorithm Read Algor. Write Algor.
9360361C 9354896 8 40 1[/B1
9381344C 9354896 8 40 1 1
1290003C 9354896 8 40 1 1
9365637C 9354896 8 40 1 1
12597506C 9354896 8 40 1 1
12584929C 9354896 8 40 1 1
12593359C 9354896 8 40 1 1
1261005C 9354896 8 40 1 1
12202088C 12200411 8 40 1 2
9373372C 9354896 8 40 1 1
9379910C 9354896 8 40 1 1
12593359C 9354896 8 40 6 8
9361140T 9354896 8 40 1 1
9361140C 9354896 8 40 1 1
9361140T 9354896 8 40 1 1
9361140C 9354896 8 40 1 1
The last 4 O.S IDs and PCMs listed were used to control the 4.0 liter Aurora DOHC V8(from the 1995-2003 Oldsmobile Aurora 250hp@5600 rpm/260 lb/ft torque @ 4400 rpm) in the Shelby Series-1 Supercar. The Aurora in reality is just a smaller version of the Cadillac Northstar V8, but the 4.0 L engine uses the 300hp L37 Northstar camshafts which makes a supposed 320hp@6500rpm/290lb/ft@ 5000 rpm. Pretty cool that you can control a 4.0/4.6 DOHC engine with a GM 312kb PCM.


2004 Corvette
OS ID/ PCM ID #/Number of Segments/Security Alg./Read Alg./Write Alg.
1250052C 12586242 8 40 6 8
12587603C 12586242 8 40 6 8
12592425C 12586242 8 40 6 8
12585950C 12586242 8 40 6 8

2004 GTO
12587604C 12586242 8 40 6 8


2004-2005 Cadillac CTS-V
OS ID/PCM ID Number/Number of Calibration Segments/Security/Read/Write
12564440C 12586242 8 40 6 8
12592433C 12586242 8 40 6 8
12588804C 12586242 8 40 6 8
12592618C 12589463 8 40 6 8


And just to round out my database, some of the older stuff:

1996-1997 Camaro/Firebird/Corvette/Impala LT1

16230041C 16214399 1 5 3 6
16230041T 16214399 1 5 3 6
1 5 3 6

1997-1998 F-Body(Camaro/Firebird)/Y-Body(Corvette) GEn III LS1 engine

O/S ID/PCM Number/Num. Cal. Segments/ Security Alg./Read Alg./Write Alg.
9350061C 16232148 1 7 2 5
9352004C 16232148 1 7 2 5
9352010C 16232148 1 7 2 5
9352011C 16232148 1 7 2 5
9352021C 16232148 1 7 2 5
9352031C 16232148 1 7 2 5
9352041C 16232148 1 7 2 5
9352051C 16232148 1 7 2 5
9352061C 16232148 1 7 2 5
9352071C 16232148 1 7 2 5
9352081C 16232148 1 7 2 5
9352082C 16232148 1 7 2 5
9352086C 16232148 1 7 2 5
9352091C 16232148 1 7 2 5
9352096C 16232148 1 7 2 5
9352096T 16232148 1 7 2 5
9352097C 16232148 1 7 2 5
9352097T 16232148 1 7 2 5
9352101C 16232148 1 7 2 5
9352111C 16232148 1 7 2 5
9352131C 16232148 1 7 2 5
9352141C 16238212 1 7 2 5
9352151C 16238212 1 7 2 5
9352161C 16238212 1 7 2 5
9352171C 16238212 1 7 2 5
9352201C 16238212 1 7 2 5
9352221C 16238212 1 7 2 5
9352231C 16238212 1 7 2 5
9352241C 16238212 1 7 2 5
9352251C 16238212 1 7 2 5
9352261C 16238212 1 7 2 5
9352271C 16238212 1 7 2 5
9352281C 16238212 1 7 2 5
9352291C 16238212 1 7 2 5
9352311C 16238212 1 7 2 5
9352321C 16238212 1 7 2 5
9352641C 16238212 1 7 2 5
9352651C 16238212 1 7 2 5
9354201C 16238212 1 7 2 5
9355161C 16238212 1 7 2 5
9355166C 16238212 1 7 2 5
9355171C 16238212 1 7 2 5
9355181C 16238212 1 7 2 5
9355191C 16238212 1 7 2 5
9355201C 16238212 1 7 2 5
9355211C 16238212 1 7 2 5
9355221C 16238212 1 7 2 5
9355231C 16238212 1 7 2 5
9359661C 16238212 1 7 2 5
9365931C 16238212 1 7 2 5
9365941C 16238212 1 7 2 5
9365951C 16238212 1 7 2 5
9365981C 16238212 1 7 2 5
9366221C 16238212 1 7 2 5
9375571C 16238212 1 7 2 5
9375577C 16238212 1 7 2 5
9375581C 16238212 1 7 2 5
9375581T 16238212 1 7 2 5
9375591C 16238212 1 7 2 5
9375621C 16238212 1 7 2 5
9375631C 16238212 1 7 2 5
9375641C 16238212 1 7 2 5
9375651C 16238212 1 7 2 5
12480112C 16238212 1 7 2 5
12480112T 16238212 1 7 2 5
12593456C 16238212 1 7 2 5
12593457C 16238212 1 7 2 5
12593458C 16238212 1 7 2 5
12593459C 16238212 1 7 2 5
12593460C 16238212 1 7 2 5
12596953C 16238212 1 7 2 5
12596954C 16238212 1 7 2 5
12596956C 16238212 1 7 2 5
16244371C 16238212 1 7 2 5
16255801C 16238212 1 7 2 5
16255811C 16238212 1 7 2 5
16255821C 16232148 1 7 2 5
16255831C 16232148 1 7 2 5
16255841C 16232148 1 7 2 5
16255861C 16232148 1 7 2 5
16255871C 16232148 1 7 2 5
16255881C 16232148 1 7 2 5
16255981C 16232148 1 7 2 5
16257871C 16232148 1 7 2 5
16257881C 16232148 1 7 2 5
16257891C 16232148 1 7 2 5
16257901C 16232148 1 7 2 5
16257911C 16232148 1 7 2 5
16257921C 16232148 1 7 2 5
16257931C 16232148 1 7 2 5
16257941C 16232148 1 7 2 5
16258211C 16232148 1 7 2 5
16268321C 16232148 1 7 2 5
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16268361C 16232148 1 7 2 5
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42480054C 16238212 1 7 2 5


Some of this info might be useful in order to compare PCM and Operating System(O/S) identifications. The vehicle and year breaks are the basis structure for Tunercats OBD2 tuning software. You pay $79.99 for what is called a Vehicle Definition File (VDF) and because Tunercats uses an unlimited licensing schedule, each VDF you purchase allows you to tune unlimited numbers of vehicles/PCMs within that schedule.

Lets say I bought a VDF for 1996-1997 trucks, the VDF is OBD2_07 and once I install it into whatever computer I am using Tunercat OBD2 to tune with, I could literally recalibrate every single 1996 and 1997 truck that GM ever assembled, so long as it had the Vortec 4.3-L35, Vortec 5.0-L30, Vortec 5.7-L31 or Vortec 7.4-L29 engine. You can even get a VDF from Westers Garage in Canada wich Mr Wester has built in order to recalibrate the 6.5 liter Turbo Diesel(either the LD version RPO=L56-8th digit of your VIN will read "S" while the HD version of the 6.5TD will have the 8th VIN digit reading as "F" for RPO L65 when using TC2.

There is even a VDF for the 1998-2001 Vortec 454 with RPO L21, which uses CNP (Coil Near Plug) ignition and ETC (Electronic Throttle Control), BOTH of which were "firsts" on ANY Chevrolet Big Block engine of any Mark or Generation. The GEN VI(Generation 6) BBC(Big Block Chevrolet) installed in the 1996-2000 GMT-400 "style" trucks was rated at 290hp@4000 rpm/410lb/ft torque@3200 rpm used a 4x reluctor wheel which rode on the crank snout, just behind the damper. The CranKshaft Position Sensor, which is positioned by the front timing cover, delivered its data signals to the Blackbox PCM and along with the 1x signal coming from the base of the Vortec distributer, allowed the Vortec L29 to fire in a true Sequential fueling strategy. The 257kb "BlackBox PCM with its QUAD, 30+ pin connectors, knew the exact position of each cylinder, and because of this, was able to accurately deliver fuel just as the cylinder events were ready to accept fuel. Gone were the days of blindly spraying fuel into the plenum of an intake manifold such as was done with GM's TBI system, which was a "Wet" system as the runners actually flowed fuel and air. The 1985-1992 TPI system, was an improvement so far as the intake manifold and its associated runners carried only air, therefore was a true "dry" system, it still di not know which cylinders were ready to accept fuel on not. The TPI system as available in both Speed Density 90-92 and Mass Air Flow(MAF) from 85-89. Even the early GEN II SBC LT1's in the F and Y bodies were not Sequentially fueled, they were Speed Density MPFI, for MY 1994 all the GEN II LT1 350's and L99 265 V8s were Sequentially Fuel Injected.

So here coms 1998, the Tall Deck Mark IV BBC is 366cid(6.0 liters) and 427(7.0 liter) flavours are no longer offered in the GM Medium Duty truck and Cab and Chassis vehicles. A replacement is needed. Enter the Vortec 7.4 liter(454cid) with RPO(Regular Production Options) codes L21 when burning gasoline, and when burning LPG/CNG she carries RPO LP4. In reality the L21/LP4 engines are one in the same, what differs moreso is the induction portion which actually delivers the fuel. All L21/LP4 engines have the same LD Vortec 454 roller camshaft, which GM Performance Parts uses in its HT502 crate engine which makes 406hp@4200rpm/541lb/ft torque@3200rpm with specs of 204Âş/209Âş duration at 0.050" tappet lift and lift of 0.480"/0.483" using 1.7:1 rockers
$214 from Summit GM p/n 12552296
https://www.summitracing.com/int/parts/nal-12552296/overview/

There are rumours that the L21/LP4 has a forged steel crank, special rods and forged pistons, but I believe this to be false. I think the reason why a L21 crate USED TO COST almost double what a more conventional Vortec L29 is the fact that the L21 uses the special sodium filled exhaust valves, and special valve seats and other valvetrain which is required for medium duty use, which would often require WOT operation for extended periods of time.(very similar situation between the 3 L31 engines available. The -$2185 12530282 LD L31 with 2 bolt mains for 1/2 ton and under 8600gvrw 3/4 ton trucks with 6 lug axles,
then the $2236 12530283 L31 350 with 4 bolt mains for the HD over 8600GVRW/ 8 lug axle 3/4 ton and 1 ton trucks, and then there is the $4,874.91 12569010 Vortec L31 350 for use in the 1996-2003 Chev/GMC W4 trucks)19207552

New Vortec 454 $5319 for 1996-2000 3/4 and 1 ton trucks
7.4 Ltr - 454 C.I.D. - Gm Engine 1996-2000 New 19207552

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New Vortec 454 L21
7.4 Ltr - 454 C.I.D. - Gm Engine 1998-2000 New 19207551

One of the "special" parts of the L21/LP4 is that tucked away behind that crank damper is 24x reluctor (aka high resolution) ring. It just so happens that the newer dual 80 pin connectored PCM's from the LS1 ALSO use a 24x reluctor wheel. Remember that both the LS1 from the Corvettes and the L21 BBC use ETC as well as CNP. If you wish to use CNP with a cable throttle, that's also covered, simply use a 1998-02 Camaro calibration.

That special 24x reluctor uses GM p/n 12552480 and costs about $28
https://www.summitracing.com/int/se...ortBy=BestKeywordMatch&SortOrder=Ascending&keyword=12552480 &retaillocation=int

the special crank sensor that is required to read this reluctor uses p/n 10456248 and costs $127 from Summit
https://www.summitracing.com/int/parts/ado-213-348

I'm seeing that the prices of these have increased quite a bit, yikes. Now if you wanted to run a Vortec 350 SBC with CNP and/or ETC, you would need a way to fit that 24x reluctor wheel onto your smaller diameter SBC crank snout.

That CKP sensor is $127 and you MUST use it to read that L21 BBC wheel, its a double wheel, so the double sensor must be used. However, EFI Connections has made a 24x reluctor wheel, that is a single wheel, that fits on a conventional SBC crank snout. Seeing as its a single wheel, you can also run the less expensive single CKP sensor, the same sensor that's found on the 1996-2003 L31 350.

GM has also given us a nice little gift, on their 2001-2002 Express vans equipped with the L31, instead of continuing on with the Blackbox PCMs, they have kept the old GEN 1E Vortec engine, but have powered it with a nice new, 0411 PCM that is used on the Vettes and many other vehicles. They have done so, while leaving the old low resolution 4x reluctor wheel on the L31, even though its powered by the newer PCM. This has allowed literally thousands of swaps in the 1996-2000 GMT 400 vehicles. PCM tuning support for the 96-2000 trucks is spotty. Being able to go from the 257kb Blackbox to the 512kb 0411 PCM has been a godsend to not only the truck guys, but to pretty much anyone messing a vehicle with 4 wheels.

Heres an L21, notice the ETC and CNP coils on the valvecovers, and the flat distributer body with the flat cap. The distributer is used only to drive the oil pump and to supply the PCM with a 1x CaMshaft Position(CMP) pulse.
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Some GM schematics
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Oooops, looks like I wrote another book, sorry. Hopefully, someone pulls a tidbit or two of something they find interesting.

peace
Hog
 
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