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What is the Best Engine from the 60s?

9.7K views 44 replies 27 participants last post by  ivanogburn  
#1 ·
Okay let me state up front - I am one of damn newbies! :drunk:
I have restored a few cars in my time but mostly body work and cosmetics! I can tune an engine but building a rod is new to me. :welcome:

I am looking to make a rod out of a mid-60's to mid-70's station wagon. I am light on cash to just toss around so I would rather find a wagon with the best stock engine and mod from there - I am not sure I am up to any big engine swaps just yet!! :mwink:

My question is this, what is the best (largest horsepower) engine to look for in this model year range? I am only looking at Detroit iron - nothing foreign! :rolleyes:

I really do not want to buy a wagon only to find out later that the engine can't really be modified or I have to start cutting the frame just to add headers! :pain:

So the criteria is:
  1. Largest Detroit engine made between 1960 and 1976 that was available in a station wagon.
  2. Engine that will allow for performance upgrades without modifying structure
  3. Engine with easily available performance parts.

This will really help me narrow my searches and final decision. :sweat:

Thanks

Ivan
 
#2 ·
Early 60's Mopar. A lot of the early Dodge and Plymouth station wagons will have 413's which is an excellent, inexpensive way to big HP. There were a few (accent on few) Chevy wagons with the BB but they are few and far between.

Good luck.
 
#7 ·
ivanogburn said:
So the criteria is:
  1. Largest Detroit engine made between 1960 and 1976 that was available in a station wagon.
  2. Engine that will allow for performance upgrades without modifying structure
  3. Engine with easily available performance parts.
To answer no. 1, that would be the 460 Ford, followed by the 455 Olds, 455 Buick, and 455 Pontiac.
 
#8 ·
ivanogburn said:
Thank you - that is exactly the type of inside info I was looking for. :thumbup:

Ivan
Good luck finding a Chevy station wagon with a big block.
 
#13 ·
ivanogburn said:
WOW - This is all very helpful.

Would it be easier to ask what V8s to avoid? :mwink:

Ivan
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#18 ·
PRO 48 fleetline said:
I agree with those GM motors great engines but that 460 was a boat anchor.
LOL!
I have a friend ... a Ford Technician by trade ... that just loves 429/460 engines.

He refers to my 454 as a "boat achor" too.

I'm thinking I might e-mail him with a link to this thread. :D

I've always said: "They're all junk when they don't run."
 
#20 ·
'71-'76 big GM wagons used to be a dime a dozen, and there were a lot of them with 450+ cube engines. I had a '72 Pontiac wagon with a 455/2-bbl, and the trailering package, meaning mid-3 rear gears. I slapped on a Q-jet and had some fun with it. The thing was a tank, but from 0-40 it surprised a few kids with new ('83-'84) Mustang GT's that they thought were so quick.

The cool thing about Pontiac motors is that the 350-455's are all the same size externally, which means if you could find a mid-sized wagon with a Pontiac 350, you could slip a 455 in it without modifying much of anything. Kinda like this one:
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#21 · (Edited)
If you want to go with a wagon I would first suggest finding a wagon you liked well enough to spend the money, time and effort on. Also find one with a good to very good body. If it isn't going to be a great looking car when you are done it isn't going to be worth the effort.

Most of the full sized mid 60 wagons could be found with big blocks. I used to have to race against a 63 Chev wagon with a 409 in G stock in 1969 With my 69 Cutlass S.

I like the mid 60/early 70's GM intermediates like the Cutlass, Tempest/Lemans and Buicks of the same size. There are some nice looking cars there and most of the goodies being made for that series of GM performace cars will fit the chassis.
Also the trick hoods and noses for the same year model fit those to give them a custom look. A 72 Chevelle Wagon with a Cowl induction hood and stripes would look great and be easy to do. Easy to put a 454 and a modern overdrive trans in too.
The same Era Mopar with a big block would be killer too.
Here is a link to a web site that folks show the photos of their wagons on. It might give you a chance to check out the different ones to get an idea of what you would like to look for. http://www.stationwagon.com/gallery/gallery.html
You can even find the Photo that Jim posted ^ above in there. Man that is a good looking wagon.
 
#23 ·
It all amounts to how much you want to spend. I'd have a tendency to go with either the Pontiac or the Ford wagons. The Pontiacs had the 455 and the Ford had a 460. Both were pretty plentiful and cheap to buy.

Most all of the old wagons were sleds as they came from the factory. But some selective work, maybe a cam, headers and intake/carb....and the most important thing....a lower rear end, will surely wake them up. Most of the old wagons had rear end ratios in the 2's. Going to a 4:11, or somewhre in that range will make a big difference.

Both engines offer a good performance potential, with lots of performance parts available. The weak spot on Pontiacs was the timing chain, which is easily remedied. Ford had a problem on the 460's with the freeze plugs in the heads rotting out and leaking, but that is also easily fixed.

If you wanna get sneaky, take out the rear seats and all the interior goo-gaa you can. That'll take off several hundred pounds. Every pound you take off is like adding horsepower.